An interview I did about Races to Places with a specific angle on filming and producing a YouTube Travel Documentary while traveling and racing my way around the world. This provides an interesting insight into what it takes and how I go about producing the series Races to Places and some of the special features we have.
The Cinematography department at ORMS Cape Town School of Photography hosts experts from the industry on a weekly basis for a filmed interview where students can learn from these experts, ask questions and make contact. The full-time cinematography programme teaches film in the most practical way possible, looking at the effective use of modern equipment such as GoPros and drones, and focuses on the production of video to be used online, while most other film schools train for the broadcast or film industries. With the strong focus on New Media, and specifically Youtube content, ORMS have been in touch with some very special producers, and recently hosted me for a great chat about producing entertaining and informative videos while being a solo adventurer and racing adventure bikes.
The interview was held and filmed on 31st July 2018.
forgot my answers welcome to this me tomorrow session with Lyndon and so we've prepared about your questions we won't probably take too long to get through all of them and I'm sure you guys also have a bunch of questions for him so we'll get to them feel free to interject it's not like we'll open the floor at the end if you have a question related to what we're talking about you know by all means just jump in and we have the microphone to capture you guys as well and so on the list of questions that I've got um given the kind of things that you form adventure life travel dak already it's not the kind of person a deal I associate with people that produce video videos usually like darkrooms sitting around a computer all day everything's very time consuming you have to be very patient yeah and explain that dichotomy it's weird how I got yeah I thought how it came about was I decided to travel around the world on a motorcycle and I've been racing motorcycles and you know kind of gathered a little bit of a media following through Facebook and I don't even think I was on Instagram at the beginning this was like 2012 and when I decided to travel around the world my sponsors from racing were kind of disappointed that I'd stopped racing and was going traveling and it was a combination of discussions over a few weeks that was like yeah me video seems to be getting quite big you know like what what about doing some kind of video blog of your travels cuz you know it's gonna be cool you like doing media I only had a couple of thousand followers or something and you like doing it could be fun I'd never even picked video of myself before so I'm not done any self filming and just decided yeah let's do it we gave it a name races to places because I still wanted to race as I traveled around the world and I said let's start filming so it was really just dropped in at the deep end and straightaway I just had just started filming some things now obviously you learn a lot the more you do you just learning these I'm still learning now and at the start it was really sketchy it was like just like self filming I wasn't filming cutaways so I wasn't taking any small clips to make the it was just really raw and if you look at my first videos that's what it was like but we started it by filming an intro to the what I was doing back in the UK before I set off and that's how I kind of figured out okay I kinda know what I need to do then I started to do it but it didn't just come naturally it wasn't like you know I know what I was doing it was tired from nothing and at that time what were you filming with was cell phones GoPros what kind of gear were you looking just filming I got for the series I got myself a Sony rx100 to sew em to and I literally had that one camera it's all I did I also had one camera a helmet and that's how I started out I just had Sony rx100 and a small helmet camera with a microphone inside and that was how I was going to film it and capture things from the helmet riders point of view and also have them capture things off the bike and I didn't even have a tripod when I started and the tripod was a major major change in rx100 it's really tiny so you probably don't need it wants the tripod no small tripod and you know whatever you can carry on your butt literally like the the best tripod that I've had was a tripod that I paid 15 US dollars for in Korea that's when I bought so I traveled all the way from the UK across to career almost without a trip actually just with a small six-inch like anyway our tripod then I decided I needed a bigger tripod but I just got like really cheap switch and pull you know little screw thread on the top and that was with me I and you know I still had it until add some stuff stolen recently but I still had it lasted two years at $15 so it just shows that you can do it with the kind of punishment you put it under there yeah yeah that's impressive yeah we know that the modern equipment makes a lot easier to form all of that like you just said thought oh say things they're all to focus all of these things make it so easy to do it now on the fly this would not have been possible ten years ago no I think that even from the start of my trip four years ago to now the technology is different and one thing that sticks in my mind one thing that comes out more than anything is like autofocus you know I get so frustrated because when you when you start to film things you you become more of a perfectionist of what you do so you watch something back and you think ah that's not right you know so I would be like why is it focusing on the foreground I want it to focus on the background and I couldn't on the auto setting which is all I was using I couldn't get it Fawcett to do something that you know slowly figured out how to do it then I'd go and ride and come back and it had changed again and it was really frustrating but now like they're so good with like you know movement recognition facial recognition taking the camera come on so much and that is a big game Shinji right ten years ago probably will be able to do as easily what I do that's the one thing and also learning how to use it because I mean the modern student of form takes for granted you can just jump online Google Earth youtuber then you get somebody telling you how to do something in the middle of the desert yeah you probably don't have a great connection if at all nope you're on your own no I had to after probably the first few few first few episodes that would filmed and just for everybody's in for like I don't add it everything myself so I have a I had a friend in the UK at the time that said you know I'll help you with the editing and I had a sponsor that was helping to pay for that and that's how it started out and I they would get the footage back and then every time I got the opportunity to speak to them on the phone they would be like right okay we're missing this we're missing that we're missing these cutaways you need to spend more time on this when you do a selfie video just intro it better you know like try and and these the first six months was really like a pretty steep learning curve just to get up there but I did have help just from two friends back in the UK and and just point him in the right direction and varying I did very little like searching on YouTube and didn't have connectivity in most places that's great it's great being able to grow with somebody as well yeah you're helping each other which is good I mean that's one of the advantages of other form schools up to you're not in the bubble on your own behind a machine with YouTube or whatever appears yeah yeah and go at that point em you just said they're growing with somebody you it's working with an editor to do this you know whether they're doing it for cheap as a friend or they're doing it professionally like to think you can just go to somebody and achieve it first time forget it like it takes time to build that kind of relationship and gay opens I mean I think they probably only one that didn't is Dario was in the audience when we did the dark alley together two weeks before we met each other I had to change the editor two weeks before found a new one looked at his resume what he'd done and he'd done this out of fast action same day edit what I wanted for that particular thing yeah and it worked but from my experience of working with far five different editors the last four years it's super hard to find somebody that understands what you're filming I'm putting it into the right edit you know and you have some distinctly different types of videos though if you're shooting on a daily basis as a deco that's not the same kind of video you're producing while you're traveling no is there a very big difference in the approach to producing these M nah not so much of a difference in that from a filming perspective my the thing I always say is you can't go back there and do it again film film film film as much as you can but don't do the classic mistake of put the helmet camera on press record with a 256 gigabyte card in there and just leave it running and think that you're going to create this wonderful video it doesn't work like that like you know you you have to be selective over what you film so you from this is my opinion but I have learnt to know what to capture so I see something ah that's cool I'll go back and do that again oh cool and I'll and I'll capture the right thing you know I'll see oh that's really cool I'll film that look at that over there and I'll film it and it's short clips and if I'm putting a sequence together I know that in my sequence I might want some lighting clips from the helmet camera in that area and so I'll film 20 seconds 30 seconds 15 seconds just this is good this is a cool little feature riding through yeah turn the helmet camera on I don't just film all the time big downside to that is if you have a crash or you're hit you might miss a kangaroo like a dude in Australia you might miss it yes but what I found is that actually like I got the kangaroo when I hit the kangaroo in Australia I got the cow when I having a cow in Australia you know I've got the I managed to come up a meaningful deserve something but for every one that you capture you missed an and but it's so much you cannot expect an edit you can say I mean we're megabytes and megabyte and also you've got to get it to them you know that's one of the things people people said to me hi so easy now with the cloud and everything let's forget it forget the cloud if you travel around the world you want to use the cloud to send data how do you get it onto the cloud like you need so many wave data you never got Wi-Fi if you've got Wi-Fi it's so poor it won't upload you don't do it so I back everything up save it on Drive solid-state drives put it on today a cards and I just go to the DHL office in the next city or theme a couple of months down DHL the cards back to the UK once they've got them back them up to do the editing and then delete them off mine and carry I'm travelling inky and and that's how it works it's the cloud is like really impossible and I borrowed unless you're a professional outfit that's got like satellite transmission unlimited day it's not going to work I mean we understand it it's not a first world country so yeah we don't have the parent connections and people know in other countries might be used to and people say I form a lot of stuff and somebody else doesn't care Tom I'm not going to we transfer to them much easier to send an uber with a hard drive straight to them yeah and it's the same principle and travelling around the world we have backups you're not in your office you're not in your office with a good Wi-Fi you have to find a different way yeah so your production process if you're shooting one of your travel videos does not involve daily data transfer no I've not done I've not done any daily stuff like that I mean that the duck a 2018 was something a bit unique really no one had done it like that and it's can we make a 10 minute special feature every day and release it by a satellite and get out to the people we can try and and it was a lot of work I mean now we all say like how hard it was editing through the night and I didn't hmm as much filming as I could you know I was filming working on the bike while he was editing not sure because he wasn't available to film he's needed to see the editing so we just worked together as a there's a team of two just to capture what we needed and get the right bits and you know when you're traveling it's different I'm not under pressure to get something out the same day I can sometimes I can film a feature over three days sometimes you know Mike I'm gonna film something about riding through this valley I'm here for three days I like through it I'll film this I'll cross the river I'll do and I just put piece it together like that yeah I think if you did pressure on yourself to shoot something every day it would not make the the content that great on a daily basis you're flooding your rewrite with things that aren't watch more everything exactly and they'll stop watching at some stage and so you give you a really high quality stuff further part and some days even now even though I love what I do and I have a great time doing it and I'm able to ride my motorcycle around the world and race and do the things I want to do like filming is a chore it's not easy like it's people you must really love it well it's it's what I do I love the result I love to see the result and I love the memories and everything but I'm being so honest when I say this like sometimes I'm riding I'm like waffle so cool but I'm so warming my jacket in the middle of Patagonia or somewhere and I really don't want it's raining and I've got to get the camera out I've got to put the cover nobody's gonna know if you don't form it and I exactly but what happens this time is this what happens I ride past it I get a few kilometers up the road and the Gil just kicks in and I'm just like I can't do it yeah I've got to do it if you thought it was something cool I've got to film it I'll turn and I'll go back and I'll do it and when I've done it I feel good about myself again I can ride for another few hours without stopping and tell me quickly because I'm not sure how many of the audience's dacor follow and you take part in it in a very specific way as well where it's literally only you right yeah there's no support truck behind you no it's classic old male moto which is basically you turn up with your bike a box with some spare parts and tools in the Box gets transferred to each vehicle night each evening each before I could call a bivouac camp and we have to do the base and then get back and then work on the bike rows most people come back they might have seen a support crew a couple of times throughout the day fix any problems and they can literally go and risk them and then once they get back they can go rest yeah looking well they can eat they can Mack the road book they can rest they can hang out and talk and yeah but for for the mallomars it's the you you have to just focus on not wasting time talking not wasting time for anything and especially when you're making a video series every single minute film you haven't got time to talk to people you have to just film so I found myself not being ignorant but sometimes just been like really I'm sorry I've got a little bit selfish example I've got to get on with this I don't mind you stand in there that mind you've been in this time-lapse like but just talk to me while I'm doing yes and working on the bike and it's cool you know Martin and not to see that you're so busy they're just like how go I'll leave you to it you know so you arrived I mean there's a little space and to lift and everything is yeah but you have to do all that we have to do everything yourself oh yeah so how many times doing this deck or do you think like let's just leave this it's not do this forming thing anymore the filming thing it's taking up so time and energy just to be and do that all right never for the simple reason that I I it cost just to have the video rights to be able to film this big race as a privateer like this it cost over 50,000 euros so the total just just to be able to do that so that's like the entry fee and then the video rights to to the organization to be able to do it and just like aya raised the money for that through a Kickstarter campaign so I'll over 600 people contributed to make the money to make it possible people and because I was credible from my video series people knew if Linda wants to do this he's probably going to make it work and they come to view it and people bought into it and people donated and you know I think I tried to waste thirty six thousand pounds which is about forty-one thousand euros going to waste forty seven thousand pounds with ten thousand more and all I did is I plowed that into getting better photos getting better satellite getting better options to do more but all the time even when I was racing and had some near misses and all I thought about was those people they expect me to do a good job here I'm gonna do it it was like because that didn't work did you have a strategy for if you did fall out of the race for whatever reason yeah that you would keep producing something yeah absolutely if I crashed broke my leg ended up in hospital whatever happened it was the show was going on Dario was going to continue with the circuit with the race film as many features as possible just do what get as much info as you can and I'm gonna sell film what's going on at my end so they would still have been a Linden's in hospital islands what had to pull out because I did open yeah or another option is you know my bike broke and I couldn't finish then I was going to switch it into a kind of reporter style so I was gonna run around talking to cool people about cool stories and how they ended up there and interesting things and just film as many features possible using dahlias you have to plan for this I mean realistically it's not a jerk that race is really really very sloth percent chance to don't finish yeah yeah I feel like really really happy with the fact that I've done three duck i well isn't finished the miles and is it something that you can actually do every year because of all the costs involved not without not without some serious backing or nothing else significant in your life take care of live keys you know I wanted I did 2017 as part of races to places the traveling around the world then I had this idea to do and I made a movie about that which is on YouTube as well that was the same raised the funds made the movie with a lot of help of friends and people do like the editor Greg who read it did it did it I like a super cheap way because he believed in it and he wanted to do this project there was a lot of people like that involved in it and we can't thank them enough because it wouldn't be there it wasn't a super production that cost tens of thousands of pounds to do it was on a budget and it was all filmed with GoPro pretty much master but you're not asking for favors you're giving people their do you if they give it to you a good rate you're happy but you haven't no no and I'm I'm pretty much you know of the opinion that yeah I have had a lot of sponsors throughout the four years I've had people come in along offering me things you know people don't give you things for nothing yeah you know if somebody gives you a product typically not always but typically they expect something in return true and I expect to give something in return so I one of the ways I fund because now the whole races to places project now he's kind of I can't manage it off the purge act and to get money in I start we started a patreon page anybody that's done a bit of filming and showing it's a way to make some money from releasing your product and even though all my videos are available for free and they will always be available for free you can offer like priority viewing you can you can give them extra features in a small contribution and they might pay a dollar or you know it's a dollar per release it's not a lot of money yeah but when you get two and three hundred people putting a dollar in it makes a big difference and it helps to pay the editing costs so that even though I have like 130 thousand subscribers there's a couple of hundred people that actually want to help support what I do that contribute through patreon and they make it possible and for the further in return for that money that they put in they get something special they get some special features they get prior to viewing it notifications and they get a little bit of personal interaction for me the people that just gave for free on YouTube just gave for free and there's very little interaction so that I've timed to your new comments and everything on there and so I'm trying to encourage the patreon thing but realize that there's so much free media out there in the world people want fee still so it's a balance of paid versus free you and I've tried pay-per-view also that was a disaster so it's a fine balance and it's still well we're still working on that balance and do you monetize the videos on YouTube use no ads on those no so what are we free completely one of the things there might be reserved a hundred and twenty episodes on there there might be the other one that still got monetization on it but majority of them what I said this was another thing I said to the patrons as part of your patreon support if I get to this level on patreon owl basically this is what will make off youtube once I get to this level through patreon I'll turn it all off that's where everyone else has the benefit of no ads on YouTube so instantly now when I upload to youtube do a monetization don't want your ads on it I'll put my own ads on it so if one of my sponsors maybe it's a clothing provider or something like that wants to put a little couple of seconds on the front of my videos no problem and the people of you in it are typically motorcycle adventure travel people then I want to see that you know and I've done that with a few things like my cameras have done it with a couple of things now and that's another way to you know say thank you for those people that have helped as a viewer it's seen it feels very different if you say thanks to whoever helping me produce this video as a person a random power bed that drawing before or sets at the bottom which you might not even be aware of the content and don't endorse it it's not the same that's why I'm 99% sure but just to make sure the difference between Kickstarter and patreon patreon is an ongoing thing kickstart is one so clever patrons like a subscribe thing how it works is you own you decide how much you want to give per release or per month and then up to a value per month then it only charges you if I deliver okay so it's kind of like it's a win-win because you don't mind contributing as long as I deliver some good product and I deliver episodes you pay some some people just it's just a dollar an episode for some people it's ten dollars an episode it's their decision and I usually release about five episodes a month and one a week roughly try to but it's never gonna bankrupt anybody but starting everyone's why I says if you put a dollar you can put a dollar if you like my things and you watch them all which a lot of people do if you from now on put one dollar on every episode that's the cost of a Starbucks coffee every month and your support in the series to keep going for longer and to get better you know all sorts of things like getting a drone and getting the improves and getting the things that people want to see into my series that's where the money comes from and I don't work I don't make money people don't give me money to do it I've got to try and make it through the series then among the other riders I'm only talking about the the bikers at the dock or yeah what are these people like or any of them like you in terms of personality or do you really stand out among them as being like yes charismatic I think I think I do just from my experience of everybody that's been in there you know the other competitors always say like I don't know how you do it like I just don't know how you do it I can't imagine trying to film something and do this at the same time it's it's kind of become a way of life for me you know like it's it's what I do I love sharing my experiences with people and sometimes it's hard finding the balance between what do I want to share and what don't I want to share what's personal life and what's true public but I want to share sometimes it's difficult finding that balance and do any of the other writers get upset if you form them or is it just part of what they do no generally I always ask I mean I always ask if it's okay and generally it's no problem some people are just gen just absolutely camera shy don't like cameras and no no I don't want you to do it you know that's fine you know and I was when I was younger one question that I had on years that you definitely remind me of guy Martin from from TT I mean that relates to the personality thing he really stands out among those people yeah a lot of those people were just normal guys and just happened to be in good riders yeah but then he's good in front of the camera as well so maybe on that point have you just always been I mean when you were young either you a little bit more shy but when you started having to form yourself was it immediately natural how long was yeah the past it was a little bit it was a little bit uncomfortable but it's like however led to you know I'm an engineer I worked in aerospace for 17 years I remember the first five years of my career in our space you wouldn't get me standing up in front of five people presenting something that I've done whereas towards the end of my career I would go to a conference stand up in front of a thousand people and share the work that we've been doing and and that's like a confidence thing you know and I put it down to the same as self-filming when I first started its am I saying it right am i doing it right I'd get annoyed with myself for making a blooper making a hiccup you know like saying a word wrong or doing something in an actual fact the viewers find it more real if you make mistakes you know so if I say like I don't know you know I've traveled through 67 countries sorry 57 countries you know like if you get it wrong just connect yourself straight away and move on like that it's normal that's how you would do it in a conversation and I found that being just natural and trying not to make you up and fake it better you cannot hide anything oh that's that's a key point is like you can when you're filming something if if like you're filming one thing one day then you move to a different location you can't make it look like you're in the same location forget because something somebody is gonna say hang on that wasn't there yesterday oh wait you've got a blue t-shirt on but I thought you don't you just don't do it so you just tell people that you've moved that's it I had to move because of this so now we're carrying on a different location but I DS it yeah it's really had to hide things have you've been approached by any of the action cam related brands like you go present DJs and stuff to support you with equipment no I haven't and I I was supported by Cena from California they make a intercom and helmet cameras and things they were really interested supported me for a couple years with the helmet cameras product and then they wanted to promote their product through video so they said look we want advertise on your videos for a season and they paid for that which was nice it paid for the editing for that season which was super nice they're only like camera related people that have been involved and when the budget ran out they just said we've got in our budget mouth would you fire you really good what you've done and it's got some for sure it gets sales because people message which which model do you have how do you use this I can't find out to do that and you know so yeah there's been them but a GoPro I keep a use GoPro as well a lot and a cow like we used five GoPros I think in Dhaka and lost a few as well and have to go back and get them but I thought about it and I contacted them I called them I tried to have that personal conversation and every time you get down I imagine they get bombarded people trying to get free stuff but at the same time not everybody's forming the deck or know what you need to do is it's like anything responsive you have to prove yourself to get something and to keep that something you have to keep delivering I'm happy that I can prove what I did but the way to prove it like you're good to go for the direction to this and that site and then you've got to log into this app and then you've got to put all your feeds in and your statistics and there and then they decide over a period of time whether it only need three GoPros like if I'm it's it's yeah it's not it's a balance it's like how how much like okay for you go push what a thousand pounds fifteen hundred dollars it's not an insignificant amount of money I realize that but when you have to spend probably a few days like writing things about yourself and putting things in and doing this and trained and discussions and me internet it becomes an effort and and it's it's a balance you know I like it when I like with seen oh I got was the personal touch you know they bypassed that and I got in touch with the marketing guy I had a discussion with him I sent him an email with some links in it loved what he saw sent him the view count he went and checked it this is what we need yes let's do something that's what I need and in a Bing come when it gets a huge company like GoPro you know you you can't find that in you need that somebody to come to you or an independent to help you yeah you know so like just yeah some camera star or anything to help you do that because they're there they've got credibility already for selling lots of product so if they could say this guy's like actually quite good at what he does maybe help him that's a way to do it are using drones at all at this stage so I did unfortunate well I got my first drone about a year ago and I'd started using it very sketchy I was trying to dance and follow me and I've been trying to capture done some like flying around really Scott into it had it all packaged and ready to bring it into Africa with me and I was going to the s burg rodeo to do a race in in Austria and I'm a van broken into they stole two motorcycles all the gear spares tools clothes and all my camera equipment about 12,000 euros 12,000 pounds worth of camera equipment drone three Sony Alex one hundreds different versions for GoPros here are sixes and fives all the things you accumulate you know if you film yourself brackets clamps batteries chargers all of that all of the stuff that goes with it they just took the boxes everything out of my van and I lost everything so including my drone so I don't have a drone now but I'm planning to play my here at arms while I'm here sir and the the follow me thing works well it does one of the issues I had is that I had the Maverick Poe and I needed to have the controller with me somewhere so I would like tape it to the front on my bike and then ride and it would nearly fall off and then I'd trying different ways put it in my backpack and then you got stopped and quickly yet to get comfortable again I'm just guessing they're not making some kind of mount well I'm sure I'm sure that there is easier ways linings this there's a device you can put on another Sun now that follow your iPhone Yap you know so there's there's there's ways to do it and and that's what I'm going to be looking at when I get a new one but traveling on a motorcycle it's also a very compromise between size and capability and how small is it what can it do yeah what do you need to do like I feel everything 1080 you know yes 4k is brilliant I tried to switch to 4k on one season of my filming and I just gave up it's so so massively they have yeah they just slows everything down you know I use a MacBook Pro 13 inch and it's maxed out max everything maxed out dr max everything have external drive solid states just can't cope with it can't even play it sometimes it's like I'm just I gave up I just said it's not it's just not worth it not for you don't need that quality for vlogging what I do you know like making movies at 1080 for YouTube yes exactly yeah so everything I do is from the internet II yeah I assume it's not something that everybody can do to actually physically be able to concentrate that hard while riding as far as thinking about all of these other things I'm tempted to go back to your engineering background and your ability to concentrate and focus and so on have you ever felt like okay what I'm doing now is really dangerous I should not be for me while I'm riding do you feel obligated you know there was a campaign that when I used to work for company called BAE Systems and clearly when you're working with military aircraft you working with aircraft systems and engineering safety first that was the campaign like safety first was what was important when you're working for yourself and you're adding motorcycles and making films for yourself it's kind of like safety third it's a statement that we always used to use it motorcycle racing safety third you know first of all go fast second of all have fun third of are worried about what might happen if it goes wrong and I don't I don't I try not to think about it there's a few things that I've done that I thought and that was a bit sketchy and maybe shouldn't have done that but usually those get the best footage so sure that's yeah but I think having an engineering background definitely helped with kind of the approach the staged approach to create in an episode the staged approach to film in the way you go about things in your head is yes methodical you know you work through it in stages how's that going to look I need to do that on our knees should have done this you doing that while you're riding yeah yeah I mean it's something to think about and I'm sure most of the other riders are like you're crazy you should not be doing this yeah for sure those people don't think that what I've seen I've never seen anybody asked you this is like deliver commentary while you're writing and forming yourself yeah is that another level or was that just whatever I mean it just came naturally I didn't do it at the start and then that the technology was there with the really good mic and had sat in the helmet to be able to do that and first I used it first to tell the editor what I was filming again so first it was like hey he was called Mikey as I hey Mikey I'm doing this I'm gonna film this and I'm gonna do that and I pull a big wheelie around there and everything's gonna be sweet you know and I just give the odd yeehaw and then I realized that well why not talk while I'm doing it you know like hey this is really great with this altitude things that people don't know from the video give them our information it's ten degrees Celsius outside it's really windy today I've really enjoyed this pathway so cold up here because the altitude it's like ten thousand feet or you know and give them information they don't see and then what you can do is when you know you've said those things film something that relates to that so if there's a sign film it and they added to them pieces it together where does it stop you from having to stop and do something into camera every single time you want it says it does but also it's important to get lazy because it's too easy just to press go and carry on riding then what you end up with is the Linden prosecute racing helmet camera show and that happened on the way to Dhaka rally was super difficult because I had like five months to get from North America to the start of the rally last three months through ten countries okay with border crossings and riding off-road and trying to find cool things to film and literally was running out of time so I would like oh film with my helmet camera at least I get something I just don't have time to stop and explain that to the audience so that's probably did exactly that and when you get site and I get there and you're feeling a bit frustrated about not capturing in a footage sit down and tell the people so here we are in salsa I'm sorry we just ridden through Ecuador captured as much on the helmet camera as I could but we're in a big rush to get to Peru so I didn't film as much as I should hopefully you'll be able to see something we've had a great time and tell the viewers and they don't mind they know why there's an episode full of helmet camera footage so and it's the same thing if you stuck somewhere like I'm here in Cape Town rebuilding my bike three weeks just rebuilding the bike told the star we tell people what you do I'm rebuilding my bike and Cape Town there might be an episode about that no riding you get the comments Oh such a shame there's no riding in this episode well next episode there will be you know it's it it's just well you won't be able to please everybody like a tube person happen it might be a stupid question but how do you know the cameras rolling or not running this is so with with the GoPro the beeps okay beeps as loud as possible listen for the beeps yeah bit make sure you get the beeps with the GoPro with a/c no it's super easy because it talks to you sorry says camera on video mode recording that's super nice that was like another game changer but with the GoPro also I used GoPro in the dark out 2018 and it wasn't too bad the most frustrating thing is when you think you've turned it off in your oven and you've got to turn it on and about it oh you hear the beep eep-eep eep-eep eep-eep and you're like bout a lap down yeah and it's like damn I've just been recording a lot of a bitch in the last hour you know or liaison or something and watching your show it reminded me of the long way around long way down do you and McGregor I forget the other guy who was Alabama is it anything about that that used as an influence when you went about your show absolutely there was there's a number of people that I kind of got the inspiration from I think one has to be Austin Vince if anyone's seen mondo enduro you know group of five guys word around the world on unsupported in terms of didn't have a for support through with them found that really cool when was this this was in ten years ago he used a super a filming yeah so that's a really cool thing to watch made a movie about it and I actually went in 2008 I went on an expedition in the Sahara Desert and he was on the expedition so he'd made a movie about it we called it salt and gold 2009 saleable on DVD and that was my first kind of hey this is how to film you know and he was doing it with this older camera you know not what we've got today but um I took some inspiration from him he actually said when I was on that you should you should vests the Dhaka Valley like you are such a good rider like and it was him and a couple of the others that were there that said that in the meantime a long way around long way down kind of happened while I really liked the concept of it the whole big support who fixes at the borders like I'm a TV star thing was benefit never even going to be possible for me so it was more about the experiences that I saw like when they were with some local kids or something or when they're with some locals are they had some problems with the bike those things were like that's the same you know yeah and so I think it was a combination of like I mean they they did you and Charlie paved the way for adventure motorcycling because they got it out to the masses let's see um you know on the television and that's how people got to know more about adventure motorcycling whereas what Austin did was much smaller but I think it was a combination of many things and medaka Valley that I did in 2013 my first one lots of room out riding lots of challenging terrain on your own that I realized that actually a solo circumnavigation of the world with races nobody's done it before and even though I've traveled for months at times with other people because it's nice to break you up a little bit you go with someone then you want to go on your own again it's it's been amazing the experiences of father I could spend a year talking about them yeah and write a book about them yeah this is it I mean if you watch that called coverage on TV it's obviously produced really well but there's a divide you don't really feel like you're part of the thing now that I'm sure which is the attraction for people watching your show but I'm wondering how many people go out of their way to make sure you can do this more more often yeah it's it's a difficult one I think it's what I've seen from every time I've done something like this the idea you know the concept the idea and the commitment has to be there before anyone jumps in and that's what makes it really hard because every single time I've had to go into it it's not a conditional thing you're not saying if I get support I'll do this no you're saying I'm doing this can't do that anybody I've seen it time and help we get it hey guys I'm gonna do the Dachau Valley I need to as a hundred thousand pounds there is three thousand yeah cuz everyone wants to go and do the Dachau Valley but hey guys I'm doing the Dachau rally and I'm gonna film a daily video series and I'm gonna release it for free it's going to cost this much I need help I've committed I've even first one IV mortgage my house for the imagine my house have put this I've done that put the entry fee in I'm doing the duck our alley but I need your support so I'm selling t-shirts to do it and you're doing something to try and make it happen and people will support that if you're just asking for money if my opinion is it just falls flat on its face and and as much as it's nice if somebody came along and said hey would you do the daka rally again and then I've got hundred thousand euros but I want you to do it like this well it would be nice mmm it's not mine yeah some of these you know I've been working with a number of TV channels about possibly doing something and but you work with them and it becomes not yours because they're telling you what they want and how they they've done how they wanted filming yeah it's not what I have what I do yeah and that for me like it would be amazing if somebody came along and said carry on what you're doing we're gonna fund it and we're going to get it out to the masses by putting it into a TV show it's gonna be basis two places but we're gonna share it with the world mmm great but it's never gonna happen everybody wants to change it twist it make it different make it theirs and that's the challenge that I've had I think that's also why don't see I mean there was a rumor I think at best it was only a rumor but it was asked about when top gear changed the guy Martin was maybe going to be one of the new yeah presenters and he said nope they'll tell you tell me what to say it's not gonna be me and what's the point yeah I'm not gonna do that but he did do that speed show that was good it felt like him so that was okay what's the best-case scenario for you in terms of this line of work I mean well I mean I we all need money to live and I've spent the last four years trying to make ends meet through you know when you work and when you working you in a normal job you know how much money you earn you know how much it spends you know how much you can save you know if you're paying your mortgage off then you're making money and you're getting where you want to be yeah the last four years for me has been about experiences and lifestyle and you know I haven't made money doing it I haven't like paid anymore my mortgage off really I've just I've just been and alive and been able to do and share one but when I think about it in terms of that's been four years that's probably 5% of my entire life a usable kind of adventurous life that's a lot and really there's only what 40 50 % of it left something like that 60 percent of it left how much money do I need what do I want to do in the rest of it do I want to have experiences and do I want to carry on doing do I want to make a load of money and one thing I don't want to do is work 70 hours a week like I was doing in our space to make a load of money to buy things and have nice toys in a garage full of stuff that couldn't use because I was working all the time yeah so it's it's a balance of what you need versus what you're doing and your experiences and for me experiences are so much more rewarding so much more useful and I just I think the answer to your question the best case scenario would be if I could do the things that I wanted to do I've got so many ideas about things that I want to film things that I want to make shows about challenges I want to give my slices to go surely not just racing Bekaa Valley other things other places places people won't even dream of going and riding a motorcycle they're all in here the best thing for me is if I could get some kind of deal where I can go and I can have the budget to make those things happen and make the circle just come to life whether it's through YouTube or whether it's with sponsors or whether it's on television like there's so many good ideas in my head I don't have the funds the money or the help to do it I'm just me and a few people helping to make it happen because you're talking about this period that you can continue to do this what happens after that no plans no plans that the only thing I can say is that I won't go back to a nine-to-five that's not going to happen I'm pretty sure that I can make something out of what I've achieved over a lot so far yes exactly what that looks like I don't know I've just I've got the ideas the next thing obviously is Africa Africa is the last continent other than Antarctica that I can ride across so I'm planning to ride back to the UK which would finish the whole journey around the world every continent with a race on every continent that's the plan that's the big thing over but the name races two places for me doesn't stop there there's already plans for things had a you know in the future that I want to do in film and maybe it's just a two-month trip short trips but they're all really really good ideas and know people are gonna love to watch yeah it's probably gonna happen bring naturally it's come not gonna be something you have to work very hard to make happen it's just gonna be like okay this is what I'm doing next yes and I think opportunities just generally come along you know it's happened you know the last I've managed to do dark hair 18 again I was you know yes the idea was there but it all came into place yeah but I think as well like I got the opportunity to race the Erzberg for Altima as in California the electric bike company great project loved it got into it we were able to do something cool and different they didn't plan it just came like I got asked if I would do it um and yeah I think you should kind of roll with life and see what happens you know no there's a concept that we've discussed a bunch in our program that you shouldn't be using YouTube as your business but it should be something that you can drive your business with yeah and it's because you're in the limelight and you're producing solid content on a regular basis that opportunities like this will keep coming your way it's the guy that's the thing that I hope waiting for something to happen yeah that's the guy that's gonna struggle because nobody even knows about these no skills needs opportunities nothing no and and I've seen it before as well when sponsors even if it's just a product if they give you something and you don't do anything you don't even tag them or give them anything to turn you're not gonna get again and that word goes around pretty fast believe me like yeah you know you make resolve all made mistakes you know I've made mistakes with sponsors it happens you know being able to recover it is one thing but if you're just genuinely not committed to doing something you won't get anything you'll always have nothing because you have to give you have to put the effort in nothing comes for free same in the workplace you know when people say oh you've got to that position you're so lucky am i lucky how did I work for it yeah it's yeah yeah or some combinations into I've come to the end of questions that I had planned for this questions from your side anything tough one so many I mean the finish in the Dakar Rally is a massive massive achievement and I think like the feeling that you get of achieving such a iconic race that everyone knows is so difficult and achieving it well that has to be a massive high but you can't get away from talking about the lows as well there's significant moments where you know I think of one in in particular I flew home to be with my family for Christmas one Christmas just for two weeks I spent some time with family I became an uncle my sister had a little daughter and it was a lovely family time and then I flew back to traveling again went into a hostel not the best people in the hostel really difficult to was in Thailand really difficult to communicate difficult to get what I needed to get my bike done and I got so overwhelmed with emotions of like I'm missing my family why am I doing here and why am i doing it it was a really had an upset in time so while people to say that it's all like the memorable moments sometimes the hard times but if you work through them like I'm so glad to just work through it and didn't further towel in and carried on because I had some amazing moments thereafter yeah and I could think of hundreds of really awesome travel moments as well but you share both you share the highs and the lows and your videos it's not just this is great this is amazing that that nothing ever goes wrong yeah no I mean nobody would believe that me any cannot playing on the camera when you're stuck in the jungle in in the middle of Thailand I mean that was just like well I didn't mean to cry I just like filmed it but the emotions when you realize how dangerous the situation you're in you're on your own you've got no water left you know you're at the bottom of the reserves and you've still got two hours to get out of there to go back the way you came because she can't go any further like I was like seriously worried that I wasn't gonna make it out and that's when I realized get the camera out and tell them what's happening and land that was rough yeah when you start to think about your family back home and your friends and everybody it's like why I ever done this you know just to get some video for you does the film in the film in-house you know the the filming has helped to be able to the way I look is it gives you a purpose if I was traveling some people said to me about this multiple times by travelers that I've met on my travels I don't know why you do that you know you're ruining the opportunity for you to ride around the world and enjoy the blissful this that and the other and you know it's so intrusive in what you're doing like I will never do that because this is about me you know this is about me my time and but also I say well but it gives me a purpose it gives me a role it gives me something to achieve while I'm doing it if I had nothing I don't think I'd enjoy it the same I thought about this I thought about stopping I thought I'd just stop filming I just enjoy yourself I've done it I've done it for like three weeks I went to Tanzania and Ireland separate to Australia maybe I'll just not film it you know at the time I had a girlfriend with me and I just said I'm not gonna film anything just gonna and I enjoyed the three weeks not filming but as soon as I started filming again it was like yes I'm back on it again sort of have you thought about using that in the following that you've got to help people that are wanting to get into the same kind of thing maybe yeah and I get asked a lot by people wanting to come and ride with me and it's I guess it's like I guess it's like we're talking about the companies like GoPro and things wanting to get involved like for me it's what I didn't what I don't want when often people want to come and ride with me because they want to be part of the show or they want to experience what they experience I've had people ride with me but they don't want to do any filming at all they're not interested in like filming so what happens is I get put under pressure to do the filming and catch them up you know and and that's not fun like the the person you're traveling with has to want to do the same I think it'd be great to like help people understand how to do it and I think the after our basic understanding first of what's involved because it's it's not it's not easy it's quite involving in this intensive and sometimes it's boring you know sometimes you're stuck in the same place for an hour trying to capture something and unless you really want that it can be can be old you know especially if it's raining and cold or something on 40 degrees and 100 percent humidity and you sweating your ass off trying to film something that's not easy all you want to do is get the air flow through you by riding and there's not many people I know that would want to do it yeah I really don't have like that in my head you know like focus things that focus on generally I just try and get a mixture of things so riding wildlife maintenance working on the bike you know I try to mix it up like a lot of it is riding a lot of it is I think a lot of it is easy but you can you can't just film all that a lot of it bits you've got to mix it with the other bits but what you said about the data there I always in terms of like percentage filmed versus percentage edited you know the ratio of like footage that you use you know that you get in much much better at what you do when using nearly all your footage and and sometimes like I don't know what would it be on dark I mean we filmed we released a 10-minute episode every day and we probably filmed I would say couple of hours worth of footage in small clips and and we used 10 minutes I'm raising two places it's different probably using around about 50% of the clips that I film not not the fifth of seven rivers in those but 50% of the clips that I film probably get used yeah now did extremely good ratio yeah given like the fact that someone would probably watch your videos and he's probably just leaving the yeah that's like it's so hard for the Edit to that yeah well people I see on people's face books and media and stuff where they say they put a ten minute clip on of them riding the motorcycle like it's not it's it's like literally after like three seconds literally you are like you know I I wish there's one thing that bugs me about hey I direct upload to Facebook and I want to know how to start it on a specific time stamp okay and I've searched an assertion because it starts with the intro every time and how many people must look it oh it's Linda's video because it's just the intro you know it's the same thing on every time I release a video on Facebook and they don't want that they want to see the juicy bit so just flick straight to the juicy bit that's why I put this 60 second clips in because it's like this is what happened in this episode here's how to see the full episode you do the same well Instagram as well yeah yeah on Instagram I just put a 60 seconds yeah and then I copy that to Facebook as well because then people see it audience because they are they don't see it from the full video and before your full video do you think in terms of a story do you have like a beginning and an end now if it's a continuous flow and it just that they start and end of the episodes literally just fall in to where where where I film to thank you so you know if it's if I'm filming a feature about for example the one I wish released to the public today it ends where we're on a particularly difficult trail that whole trail sequence could have made a really great episode in one but it just so happened to finish at the end so ending on a cliffhanger next episode um we don't kind of like naturally creating the storyline for you there yeah the the journey is a natural journey and and and I think the viewers see that you know people there's so much fayla stuff and you can pick it up at some point you know if you if you look at like long way down way around we don't know you don't it's it's a journey of I think four months in that DVD set I mean racist the places is got ten times more minutes already than they had but it's 10 times more travel time so the ratio is probably similar it's like literally like every single proof yeah dust proof water proof handy small light good quality yes you don't have a zoom you does not you know you okay you have different angles and stuff but if I was to choose one camera it would be an action camera that's it because you can do so much with it it's easy to use the new ones with the touch screen is like super easy to use playback and everything on it but I've used Sony rx100 xaloc and I think the only thing that the only thing that I would say is a su massive lack of dust proof like it's horrible I've gone through four cameras just with lenses having to be replaced the mechanism and the shutters on the front they're too delicate so for the Africa trip I'm gonna go for something different something with a lens cap probably probably looking at something like Canon g3x it's got a zoom which I've never had so I can capture some things at zoom length because I've never been able to do that and that's something that's really bugged me when one thing that has can't get close yeah so often you'll be sad just relaxing in a cafe or on the side of the road and something will be happening and you've got an axe 100 with 70 times zoom and 70 zooming yeah you maxed out and you just can't get enough quality you know and then so I wanted something with a little bit of a zoom I don't want interchangeable lenses I mean the environments that I work in it's just people do do it people do travel with SLR type cameras and you gotta think about size layer because at the time you start looking at your 1d X's and stuff and those top of the line lenses they will be very durable yeah but it's a time to carry around I am I have a I got about a year ago I got an a 7-hour – I wanted to get really good stills because I was starting to push the Alex 100 like doing nighttime shots and all kind I'm really enjoying it and I thought I'd get myself a decent camera to do this I've got only seven out – and 24 17 proper lens on it and I was really like gonna use it and then I realized it's so heavy and cumbersome it's very expensive – you know with me carrot just can't put it in my pocket for like those yeah sure just for nice still yes mmm so okay I can use it for video as well not really cuz you ladies are self on the tripod it's like not very stable and I don't want it to fall off because it's like a few thousand yeah I know I just kind of gave up with it I just figured that it's not what you need for what I do you need something small compact that you can put in your pocket or that you can be rugged with you know it's one thing I've been looking at on the GTX is like it's pretty rugged IIST you know it's dust proof it's weatherproof it's not what foof but it's going to be better than what I had and it but it's bigger but you've been from the old travel they always say like very carefully what you take along with you because you're carrying that everywhere you go yeah anything on the back it's just so much yeah and another thing another game changer on the cameras making but I never had it on the Alex 100 and wind noise pisses me off like just hate it and I want to get rid of it so I want a proper Road mic I want a proper wind jammer you know and I want to make input and as soon as you filter mic input on any camera search you immediately down to a manageable selection so makes your job a lot easier and use what number you want and that's fairly why I've decided to try something different you could consider a recording audio and video and different devices I thought about that as well a little zoom h1 or something yeah I have really thought about that and it's possible it's a bit more from the file management point of view another thing to carry it's something else you know and it's really nice just to you know use a Bluetooth mic or a do mic plug it in know that you're good to go do it you don't have any separate files it's a huge smartphones at all four and mono I have an iPhone X and I find it's really good I can and I even thought like when I got all my camera stuff stolen I was so annoyed that I've lost all this money's with the stuff and you make a video about it it's in it's in the it's in its it is in the video it's already out on YouTube in the whole video about it but when it's on I was like you know what I'm just gonna take a GoPro and my iPhone and that's it but then I was like then I've got no decent zoom I can reach other things that I couldn't and I just started thinking now I want to do it properly you know I want to at least have a give me my best shot I'm getting the best things I can and so that's why I decided to change I mean go back times are also kind of like designed to break you know yeah and to become redundant off their euro too so yeah so any pretty recently as our friends have become like kind of like weatherproof dilemmas the degree yeah yeah I mean my iPhone which gets used on the bike as a sat-nav yes so outside all the time in the rain and the dirt and I just wiped it clean and it's just I never yeah but yeah compared to the older iPhones they've come a long way yeah you know the questions yeah I mean if I think about the if I think about the times I've traveled with someone else as well it's probably so four years I spent probably five months with Lucas there's the scene the C Series five months with Lucas I spent three and a half four months with Toni no ma six months with Toni so that's like a third of nearly of my travels you know so I have actually spent time with other people what I found is in my younger years for sure I was a cell a really selfish person like I wouldn't even let people use math stuff you know but I have I've come out of that a lot and I'm a lot different now and I also like to you know if you see my series when I got to us if I see a school and I've got time I'll just stop like in the middle of Indonesia it's like well share some of my chest some of me with them they never see before it's amazing to see how excited people get you know when the sea and I imagine Africa's going to be real like that as well but I'm not against like I've traveled with hiker the German guy that I met on my River I'm not against meeting people on the road that are a completely different journey to me and sharing some time with them and including them in races to places at the beginning I was a little bit exclusive I was trying to it was all me they almost like making it look like it was just me doing it and and that's wrong you have to share it with whoever you with so whatever you do in weather you have to include everybody because you cannot hide it you don't you've got to just tell the story as it is so I do I spend when I'm with somebody usually I love it for the first month then there's some things that becomes a bit of a drag and you kind of get to know each other a bit better and then and then you get to the point where like I'm ready for some time alone and it's hard it's like a dream our relationship is it it's like a break in a relationship and it's tough you know and you go you bill only again for a few days and then you're like yes this is what I am all about and you go and they suddenly are there and then you're on the top of a mountain somewhere and you meet someone else on a bicycle and you end up going to the hostel with them and you share some stories and there's another motorcyclist Hospital and he's going the same way and you just ride together you you cannot make you up you just got to flow with it however you feel feel like adding someone ride with someone if you feel like that in your own going around but most important thing is to do the journey that you want to do and for me you know people ask me like why do you use a race bike for travelling around the world because I want to because I want to because they enjoy racing angel riding it and because I can build it and I want that's what I wanted to do it's I always said to everybody like you don't have to do the same as I do do what you enjoy doing if you want to ride a Honda c90 do it because you will enjoy it if you try and add something that you don't want to ride those two big O's too fast those it's not gonna be enjoyable you know so for me I'm just I'm just riding I'm not trying to do something extra special I'm just doing what I want to do and that's kind of really important and you're not selling what you're doing hard as in this is the best bike you have to do it this way you're just not doing it no no I'm saying why you like to use the abuse to tack the hashtag ultimate adventure bike you know that for me mmm for me I'm not telling anybody that's what you need I'm just saying like that's certainly my opinion what I do it's opinion of course and it I just say the best if you've got any like force to go and do something whatever it is do it hmm because unless you go and do it it's just a dream it's just it's never gonna come to so you know I I really like think like what what next like I have loads of ideas of things to do but I'm already stacked for the next year just getting back home through Africa yeah doing Africa and trying not to rush Africa no it's very exciting very interesting I mean many people in this room will be thinking I could get what I'm about to eat and then what time am I gonna get home yeah what am i watching this evening and then just repeat you know yeah yeah but the good thing about travelling is good thing about traveling is even when you're in a strange place like for me Cape Town you don't go back to the same place every day you don't eat the same table every day there's something different every day and that's what makes it so special yeah if you like that yeah some people like routine and and a lot of the time unless it's places there isn't a routine yeah yeah no you but I think there's a little bit of that that some people need they can then live through your videos yeah cuz they'll probably like this looks really nice and then they start to get tired of that afterwards like yeah I don't think I could do this every day and then return to their normal lives but as just one last thing is as as people that are interested in photography and filming even though I've been so busy for four years doing what I've done right occasionally I'll go back into my files from the beginning and I'll find a video clip that never made it into vases to places that never made it anywhere that immediately brings back memories flooding of that particular part so the last thing I would say is film film film photo 400 as just just even if you think you're being stupid in front if you fans yourself you how many people don't like to take a selfie every place I go every thing that I do whether it's a Brian some friends house or what take a photo I'll take a video because once you've left the memories gone in ten years time you won't remember it but if you've got a photo or video you will that's I found that really cool looking back through some stuff wasn't I think we can wrap this up a few days a week I'm just trying to finish a few bits here in Cape Town I've got a presentation evening I'm doing on Thursday at the Hellenic centre here in which is like super kind of three hour long with a break in the middle really interesting photos videos experiences all kinds of things that won't have even come out today and there's so much to talk about how to cram four years into three hours basically and yeah I've been phased at how I did that but it's a pretty good show and people like it so I'm looking forward to doing that and then after that I'll get ready and leave favorite places in terms of riding seen any other things like that yeah Tajikistan Tajikistan was really really cool I enjoyed the ride and just the scenery it was like being on the moon in places and just great quiet nobody around enjoyed it remote New Zealand's South Island was beautiful as well but in Utah probably the most stunning place that I found survive just blew me away good things in yeah just rocks after rocks formation after formations as can see and you cannot show it on video you look back at my videos and I'm like it was so much more dramatic than that you need a drink yeah it's it's amazing and yeah but I would say that there's no bad places I've never been to a bad place you know there's places I've been where I'm wanted to hang around but there are part of it you know everywhere everywhere you go that is new to you you should make it a good experience make it what you can while you're there and I've done that with everything even if it's been like the wide open plains of Mongolia where you're just riding and riding and riding you've got to see a different beauty you know and then you come to somewhere that's really awesome in the middle of Mongolia you're like yeah this is worth it okay [Applause]